Midnight Pub

Gemini is not decentralized

~ostov

Many people say that Gemini is decentralized.

But it's not like that!

Yes, Gemini is handsome and graceful.

But after all, as in https, gemini is organized on the same technological principles.

And here you can also be banned for your thoughts and beliefs, and sometimes just because you are a citizen of some country.

I had such a case when my capsule was banned. Other than that, I'm not the only one.

In gemini, you also go on about the capitalists:

Would you like to glog for free? Welcome to some centralized blog services where you can get banned at any time for any reason.

Digging deeper, gemini suffers from the same problems as https.

I would love to see a p2p alternative to gemini, but none have been created yet.

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tatterdemalion

Gemini and the web are both decentralized protocols, and it's silly to say they aren't. You don't have to be p2p distributed to be decentralized. Centralization for both happens at a higher level, when people make themselves dependent on certain sites; in particular, when they use social media platforms rather than (fungible) hosting platforms.

If you want to self-host without dealing with DNS, VPS, or static IP, run Gemini as a TOR hidden service. That'll even let you host your lolicon shit, if you're a filthy pedo. Just... don't expect anyone to link to your gemlog.

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b0b89

Most ISPs do not let you host services. Comcast called me and threatened to cut off my connection back in the day cause i just hosted all my own stuff. You can get away with it as long as you don't ever get even mildly popular. Toss a link into an irc and too many people click it and they'll call you that day. It happened to me, it can happen to you. Hence p2p services only exist as long as your isp allows it.

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pink2ds

Background:

This guy was banned from srht.site after CSAM got posted to his capsule.

Hardly "at any time for any reason" or for being from some country or whatever.

Gemini isn't the darknet. Thankfully.

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pink2ds

Reading the text of the post was enough for me to nope out.

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ostov
CSAM

But the picture was absolutely legal. It was a graphic with anime in the background.

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contrarian

You know that won't stand in the court of public opinion, pedoweeb.

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enderasg

CSAM? Also is there any further context

Actually, forget I said anything.

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enderasg

Not trying to be rude or anything, but where does it say that Gemini is decentralized? I must have missed that part. And really, the problem is that everyone has become so used to centralization that it's near impossible to get rid of it. I've seen attempts at p2p protocols but none have really taken off (or got shamed for having any relation to crypto)

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enderasg

Also, gemini AND http are decentralized, it's the users who aren't

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ostov
To ~owleyarc:

In Russia, internet connection costs a penny. Unlike domains. But the point is not the price (although for a russian person to pay for a couple of bytes seems absurd), this is not such a problem. The problem is centralization itself. The DNS is controlled by corporations and the goverment.

To ~contrarian:

This is solved by banal encryption, at least in the Tor this is the only way everything works.

To ~skedaddle3644:

Blockchain is definitely not that. It is not made for this. If you are looking for an alternative to centralized networks, then you need to look towards IPFS and their libp2p library.

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owleyarc

Fyi, you can reply to comments to make threads.

DNS is no more government and corporation run than anything else on the Internet? Like, you still need a network to send it on (unless you want to do radio, which would be fun).

But if that is still too much for you then you can do raw IP and bypass DNS altogether. Or, if you prefer, use Tor and expose it as an onion service.

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contrarian

If you aren't posting alongside pedophiles, it isn't truly secure. It's the PPP rule when it comes to FOSS alternatives: are you a programmer, a paranoid person, or a pedophile?

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owleyarc

I mean, if you're paying to have an internet connection, a domain name isn't exactly expensive. (Or you could even get one for free from some countries.) And if you have a domain name, you can easily self host without buying a static ISP from an internet provider.

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skedaddle3644

Wouldn't the problem be solved with some kind of blockchain? Maybe, one day, finally, in the distant future, we can have a use for the blockchain!

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tetris

You see, the thing with blockchains, yeah, is that they, yeah, *downs glass*, they secure all the transactions yeah? *waves two fingers at bartender*, longest chain and all that yeah? no one will mess wiv you if you keep long chains bruv *collapses in drunken stupor*

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skedaddle3644

Good point well made ;)

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