Midnight Pub

the merits of a bookshelf

~tetris

I was talking with a friend the other day about a certain book series by a certainly now-dead author, and he mentioned that he downloaded the series from a certain website, and that once he was sure about liking the series, he'd bought a physical copy of it as well.

"Why?" I asked, revealing my somewhat cutlass views on paying artists and their estates directly for their works, and screwing the middleman as much as possible.

"To show on my bookshelf", he replied.

I looked at my own. It was a collection of loose notes, pizza pamphlets, various letters or bills, random little boxes full of mysteriously labeled USB sticks, and a few straggling pop-fiction books I was gifted.

If anyone was to walk into my house and peruse my bookshelf, they'd assume I was an illiterate uncultured swine who never pays his dues on time (and they'd be half right).

My actual bookshelf disappeared about 10 years ago, where I packed up my treasured collections into the loft at my mothers house and began collecting digital books in a folder on my main backup drive. Instead of lugging books from house to house and country to country, I just sync my mobile with the "Books" folder on this networked drive.

But I can't flaunt that to guests. I can just only nod my head and say "yes I've read that", without being able to prompt anything back. Its like I exist without a history, my brain remembering books I've read only in the moment, and never recalling their existence until someone else brings it up.

A person without a bookshelf is just a shadow of themselves, trapped in a rich inner world that no one can discover. Maybe that's nice for some, but I want to be a sociable creature again, who can point to physical evidence of his worth not by the content of his words, but by the content of his bookshelf!


sonam

My bookshelf is not as filled because I have a very bad habit of giving away my books. Also, I almost always lend my books, knowing full well in advance, that I'll never get them back.

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tetris

I learned from a young age who exactly I could trust to lend my books to. My brother returned my books to me in tatters, my sister with the spines broken

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contrarian

Possessing a library that's not a mobile library is an extremely classist thing. There is something to be said for supporting creators by buying physical goods mostly while they're alive. Middlemen are important curators in our lives.

Physical items have a provenance to them while files just have metadata.

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tetris
Possessing a library that's not a mobile library is an extremely classist thing

Classist is a strong word. I'd say its more for people with permanent homes, which didnt use to be a point of contention between social classes, but now is, and not to the fault of the home owners themselves (since the government needs only to build affordable housing, or encourage housing associations to end this crisis).

There is something to be said for supporting creators by buying physical goods mostly while they're alive.

I agree, which is why I donate directly to the creator. I download the DRM-free content, and then seek out the authors homepage.

Middlemen are important curators in our lives.

In the context of regulators, preventing anti-competitive practices from taking place, I agree. In the context of large publishers, retailers, and market vendors who demand that creators use them or face obscurity? No, I don't believe they add anything.

Physical items have a provenance to them while files just have metadata.

Not all provenance is good though, and at least files can error-correct themselves to some degree

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2pie

In sort of the same situation except that I rent my book at the library rather than buying them. The thing is that I hate buying the physical object. I feel so committed when I buy a book, it's more than I can handle! It is not only the price, but also the physical object.

I am always in a state where I know that I could move out in less than a year, and carrying a lot of books is quite painful when moving out (I must say that I have no furniture, so I can move out with just a car, in one trip).

Maybe a solution is keep a "map" of the book you've read, that you display on your living room. This way people can see how literate you are and it is an interesting starting point for discussion.

For instance you have the 'science fiction area', the 'russian 19th century area'... You can even make links between them !

Just had this idea while reading your post, I think I will start my own right away :)

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tetris
> I am always in a state where I know that I could move out in less than a year, and
> carrying a lot of books is quite painful when moving out (I must say that I have no 
> furniture, so I can move out with just a car, in one trip). 

I was in the same boat for many years, my entire life in a rucksack and a few boxes. I even took pride in my minimalistic lifestyle... but as you get older you visit other people's homes and can see that non-spartan homes have a certain comfy allure to them. I'm slowly beginning to accumulate objects, and damn the (moving) consequences later.

> Maybe a solution is keep a "map" of the book you've read, that you display on your 
> living room. This way people can see how literate you are and it is an interesting 
> starting point for discussion. 

That's a very cool idea - I could use an old ebook reader to display it, and update it as necessary!

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inquiry
> If anyone was to walk into my house and peruse my bookshelf,
> they'd assume I was an illiterate uncultured swine who never
> pays his dues on time (and they'd be half right).

Oh, puhleeeez! Just show 'em

your huge.. body of Midnight Pub work

and they'll be right back in the throes of the opinion of you that you *know* they ought be captive-ated by!

;-)

> My actual bookshelf disappeared about 10 years ago, where I
> packed up my treasured collections into the loft at my mothers
> house and began collecting digital books in a folder on my
> main backup years ago. Instead of lugging books from house
> to house and country to country, I just sync my mobile with
> "Books" folder.

I'm lucky along those lines in that I'm all but certain I've already found all the paper books I'll ever need due to being sufficiently old to forget most of what I've read after not too long, so re-reading them doesn't feel the exercise in futility it once did.

I finally deleted the "Kindle" app off my phone the other day after clicking on it and noting what looked like a ton of happy horse shit of trying to remember userid, password, resetting either or both, and the usual cloud "convenience" yadda yadda.

Maybe I'll even chance upon the actual Kindle device itself someday... but hardly a biggie if not. It'll need to be recharged, I'll have to learn the UI all over again, etc. And it'll no doubt present much screen heartache and/or misery for not being able to connect to Amazon again, for needing to update itself, and all manner of other non-reading.

Just shoot me with a pixel gun now....

> A person without a bookshelf is just a shadow of themselves,
> trapped in a rich inner world that no one can discover. Maybe
> that's nice for some, but I want to be a sociable creature
> again, who can point to physical evidence of his worth not by
> the content of his words, but by the content of his bookshelf!

Couldn't tell for sure if you were being facetious, there, but oddly enough I suspect getting lost in actually reading probably cures such appearances-sakes-centric concern.

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tetris
> Oh, puhleeeez! Just show 'em your huge.. body of Midnight Pub work

Haha yes, but then I'd have to give up my alias for real-life fame and fortune, and no doubt it would go to my head and I would lose my privacy with paparazzi constantly outside of my window.

> I  finally deleted the "Kindle" app off my phone the other day after clicking on it and 
> noting what looked like a ton of happy horse shit of trying to remember userid, 
> password, resetting either or both, and the usual cloud "convenience" yadda yadda.

'mazon and 'oogle are shady as hell when it comes to these apps. I just use whatever e-reader app is in the F-droid store, usually LibreRead.

> Maybe I'll even chance upon the actual Kindle device itself someday... but hardly a 
> biggie if not. It'll need to be recharged, I'll have to learn the UI all over again, etc. And 
> it'll no doubt present much screen heartache and/or misery for not being able to 
> connect to Amazon again, for needing to update itself, and all manner of other non-
> reading.

So there are some very nice projects that use the existing linux infrastructure within kindle, and repurpose it for other things, like retrieving web-page images every hour or so: https://github.com/pascalw/kindle-dash

> Couldn't tell for sure if you were being facetious, there, but oddly enough I suspect 
> getting lost in actually reading probably cures such appearances-sakes-centric concern.

when you're reading an ebook on the train, you look like everybody else mindlessly staring at their phone ;-)

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inquiry
> Haha yes, but then I'd have to give up my alias
> forreal-life fame and fortune, and no doubt it
> would goto my head and I would lose my privacy with
> paparazziconstantly outside of my window.

No one ever said lying face down in a pool of text at the Midnight Pub would be easy.... :-)

> So there are some very nice projects
> thatuse the existing linux infrastructure
> withinkindle, and repurpose it for other things,
> likeretrieving web-page images every hour or
> so:https://github.com/pascalw/kindle-dash

I *knew* there had to be purposes for it beyond keeping the bottom of my coffee cup comfy!

> when you're reading an ebook on the train, you
> looklike everybody else mindlessly staring at
> theirphone ;-)

Brings the "All the lonely people, where do they all come from?" lyrics to mind.

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tetris
Tetris is reading
Sat in the train 
Like a lame-looking
Duck lost at sea.
Isn't he free?
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inquiry
> Tetris is reading
> Sat in the train 
> Like a lame-looking
> Duck lost at sea.
> Isn't he free?

All I know is ducks are drawn to quacks. :-)

Not been on a train in at least half a decade. There *is* a commuter train that passes through our locale, but its primary destination is a city I've no interest in visiting.

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starbreaker

One of the reasons I like having physical bookshelves is that printed books are the original ROM (read-only memory). Once printed, they can't be altered save by printing a new edition that readers who prefer the older edition are free to ignore. The only way to see what I'm reading when I read a paper book is to look over my shoulder -- which is a good way to get punched in the face if we aren't close.

Bookshelves are also good places for Smudge to perch when he wants to watch over me like a guardian beast.

Some of my paper books also hold important memories. For example, I've got an edition of Waite's Pictorial Key to the Tarot that I bought from a street vendor overlooking the Seine in Paris back in 2017. I had also bought a French translation of Philip K. Dick's Ubik in a shrink-wrapped paperback. I had managed to dredge up enough high school French to hold a halting conversation with the vendor; her English was even worse than my French but we managed.

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tetris

Very writable ROM however! (At least according to every book I've checked out from the library)

Bookshelves are also good places for Smudge to perch when he wants to watch over me like a guardian beast.

I definitely agree that bookshelves have use. My SO uses them to holds various plants, and I love watching them climbing up the walls every year.

I like the memory you tie with the book. Some have that for me, but most of my books I got from some online book retailer, and very few in person.

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ew

Hey ~tetris, a bookshelf is "something" for sure! Not so much now, but in the past I have scanned the bookshelf of other people and found intriguing stuff indeed. My bookshelf has become somewhat of a burden now, so I freely give stuff away.

That being said, a long time ago (before 1997) I had the opportunity to hold an original edition of Newtons "PhilosophiƦ Naturalis Principia Mathematica" (1687 says wikipedia) in my hands. That was a magic moment. I could even read some (my Latin is now dead), and grasp what the text was about. The other book was an introduction to geometry (by someone else), going like "A point is a nothing, a line is made up from adjacent points of nothingness ..." or something such. In Latin. And it was still readable after a few hundred years. The half dozen or so books we looked at in the university library were all in excellent shape. Really magic. So I think, printed books are sort of sacred. Maybe not each and every book, but in principle ...

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tetris

Was this at the British Library by any chance? I've seen the reading rooms where you have to book to see such protected books, and you can really feel the magic emanating from the cover of those tomes.

I also like the idea that humour hasn't changed very much over the centuries or millenia

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