I've never understood the oroborus -- to me it's a symbol of self-destruction, but I've seen it referenced as renewal/healing.

Then again, the mind might convince itself that it's bettering itself with habit A, when it's just enabling itself. Yeah okay, it fits.

There's a certain uncomfortable weirdness to phenomena (e.g. you or me) attempting to re-present/model/describe the recursion of the source of atten-tion atten-ding to the source of attention.

At some point this here "me" began wondering if seeming phenomena were merely what might be called "a fractal of re-presentation (aka mind)" emergent when attention/consciousness re-presents, re-flects upon other than its ineffable Self, therein generating the seeming whoosh/winds (i.e. appearance) of the but-a-dream-ness of ALL THIS unto A YOU.

The hope is the direction is reversible.

Can't see how a mere phenomenon in the dream could reverse the dream, though. Seems like no matter how us seeming instantiations of free-willed selfhood *will* (hehe), well... (quoting Robert Smith of The Cure) "it's always the same" (see also: "same old shit", "same old same old").

And the suffering (i.e. enduring of time) ends the instant the seeming instantiation does....

Okay, you lost me in the second paragraph there, heh. So your existence is dependent on unconscious dream of some higher power, and you hope that they exist because of you too?

Maybe... i.e. maybe that's what I meant. :-)

Meaning across independent meaning contexts is tricky.

Master Yoda, can you please speak *forwards* from time to time :P

I can yrt!

Ooops....

:-)

Meat puppets, all dreaming that they're somebody, when actually everybody is nobody.

And, oh, how the butcher that isn't ce[l|r]ebrates!